Fire Dom #$%& Capers

[Rossum20]

my god was that hold by their LT on the last play blatant! I kept waiting for the flag...

[Profe]

I never stuck around to see replay of the last play, but I was screaming about the LT tackling our rusher.

[12pack]

It was Jolly that they were holding...actually tackling.

[cgc73]

On the completion to Heath Miller, 5th or so to the last play Matthews was tackled on the way in with no flag, that one had me plenty steamed.

[Packer Fan at Purdue]

I didn't say anything about that last play, but the more I've seen it, and I've been seeing it a lot on ESPN, the more obvious that hold was. Thank god I wasn't the only one that saw it. I thought I was crazy or something.

(oh shit, I set that one up. take your shots.)

why aren't any of the sports "commentators" saying anything about it????

[Profe]

Clay Matthews got tackled many times.

[pkrbkr]

how quickly things change---right below this thread, is one about
our #1 defense---Capers was quite a hero such a short time ago.

[Brennum]

Originally Posted by Mike F

but I wouldn't count on them either. Lee is exceptionally raw at best, and Blackmon is a returner who can't stay healthy. they would be fine competing for the 5th and 6th slot but, but neither were capable of being counted on to play the nickel. And it's not just the corner depth that's the problem. They have no real depth at S and Bigby isn't the same player. He's not great in coverage and he's now tentative.

Do you really think that Arizona, Philly and NOLA aren't watching? This is the blueprint the vikings used and it's how you will see them attacked. They are solid against the run. The problem comes in coverages. When you have 3 players that can essentially cover against teams with multiple good receivers and te's the Packers are vulnerable.

Was almost a great game for them, would have been a huge boost into the playoffs. We'll see they have some real opportunities, but they have secondary depth issues and st issues especially with the kicking game that may come back to bite them.

I think we have to live with what we have for the duration of the season no matter how long that might be.

As for next year, there is a decent crop of young free agents to target which is what I hope TWAT(Tight WAd Teddy) does during the offseason. That and some D/O lineman. The draft should include similar personnel with a power speed back and a kick returner that can actually return kicks.

Bring in competition at kicker/punter and we should have an interesting camp next Summer.

[Wilbur]

how quickly things change---right below this thread, is one about our #1 defense---Capers was quite a hero such a short time ago.

Capers is still held in high regard around here. Just as the defensive approach in the Vikings games was roundly questioned, so too is the way in which Capers schemed for the Pittsburg game. All in all, Capers has done a fine job transforming a 4-3 defense with all the 'wrong personnel' into a #1-ranked 3-4 defense in the space of one season. Just because people on this forum want to piss and moan (myself included) doesn't make the job Capers has done any less of an achievement.

You seem to harbor a giddiness for posting only when the Packers lose, otherwise it's just the run-of-the-mill 'things will be bad if ...' posts, if you happen to post at all. Pointing out the heated displeasure evident in these posts for a day or two after a disappointing loss is a unique service to everyone ... I'm pretty sure most people in here weren't aware of the resultant downbeat posts of Sunday evening and Monday.

[Barry]

Originally Posted by Wilbur

You seem to harbor a giddiness for posting only when the Packers lose

That's what he does. He also congratulates the Vikings when they win. Then when you call him on it you get attacked by Vikings fans defending his status as a Packers fan. Sounds like they don't want him either.

[pkrbkr]

Originally Posted by Wilbur

You seem to harbor a giddiness for posting only when the Packers lose, otherwise it's just the run-of-the-mill 'things will be bad if ...' posts, if you happen to post at all. Pointing out the heated displeasure evident in these posts for a day or two after a disappointing loss is a unique service to everyone ... I'm pretty sure most people in here weren't aware of the resultant downbeat posts of Sunday evening and Monday.

check the title of this thread and then tell me my post was out of line.
I do not post much at all anymore around here, and it does not depend
on the Packers winning or losing. You will not find anything I posted that
is "anti-Packers" or anything other than observations.
Capers is getting bombed pretty good, and I pointed out that he was the
big hero as recently as last week--so stay on topic and don't be trying
to find something to jump on me about

[cgc73]

The Steelers won but they did allow the Packers to drop 36 on them.

Should Dick LeBeau be fired?

Both teams came in highly ranked on defense and yet we ended up with a shootout. It happens occasionally. Just as conversely sometimes two offensive powerhouses get into defensive struggles.

Call it game-tempo if you like but everybody here has watched enough football to know that there are games that just don't play out like logic says they should. You don't fire a coach for the outliers (well, maybe that 4th and 26 play), you fire 'em for their overall performance. Can anybody here say the Packers on the whole haven't been surprisingly good on defense this year?

[Wilbur]

I dunno ... pretty much on topic.

[No Worries]

The scheme wasn't so much the issue. When you have players like Bush, it makes all the difference. The first play of the game set the tone. Capers brought heat, leaving Bush in man coverage..... end of blitzing when you can't count on man coverage.

This is going to come across as an anti Bush rant, well, because it is!

Please watch his interview at the Packers.com site. Not only does he struggle mightily with the English language (he doesn't sound like a physics major), but he never once man's up and takes any acountability! He really only deflects all blame and accountability. Says the reason for their performance was bad breaks or "the ball just didn't bounce their way". This is total denial of accountability.

I've never been a fan of his playing capabilities, but I now think even much less of him as a man and a team mate. I would encourage you to watch the interview to see if you agree.

[Profe]

I watched the interview with Bush on Monday. I was going to start a thread about him, but I didn't want to seem too negative. What a real douche bag! I have seen a dog turd with more brains than this idiot. It took me a while to translate his attempt at the English language, but I finally figured it out. Bring in Stevie Wonder....he can cover better than Bush

[pkrbkr]

Originally Posted by Barry

That's what he does. He also congratulates the Vikings when they win. Then when you call him on it you get attacked by Vikings fans defending his status as a Packers fan. Sounds like they don't want him either.

really doesn't matter "who wants me" as I told you before,,
you don't get to decide who is a Packer fan, so I will tell you
again, just because it irritates you--I was a Packer fan before you
were born, and I am still a Packer fan, and fortunately--
you can't do anything about it.

[reck]

I certainly understand being pissed after that game but if after you've calmed down you still think Capers should be fired, IMO you need to be very careful about calling anyone else a moron. If Jenkins wraps up that sack, if Chillar doesn't commit the penalty, if the obvious holding calls were made against PIT's OL on their last drive, the Packers win. The scheme put the players in position to win - that's all the DC can do. And in the second queens game, Capers did send the blitz more, including Woodson, and they didn't get there.

As Galileo says, there are 3 CBs on IR that would start ahead of Bush and Bell and Underwood for that matter. I've been critical of Thompson, particularly regarding the OL and OT, but no GM can be legitimately criticized for not having great players at the #6, #7 and #8 CB spots. Woodson, Harris, Williams, Lee, Blackmon… yikes, yikes, double yikes.

[Kakunga]

I don't think they should fire Dom Capers. But I will say he needs to understand not to abandon aggressive play calling on the defensive side at the end of the game.
We don't have have a very deep talented defensive backfield. So the pass rush is very important to success.On the touchdown throw he was standing back there for 4 or 5 seconds just waiting for someone to come free. 3 man rush provided no pressure whatsoever. It's tough to lose on the very last play of the game. And Pittsburgh did drive the whole field in 2 minutes. Right now Green Bay needs to put this behind them and win the next two games. Winning just one game won't cut it.

[wes]

If bush was the #6 CB and keep mostly for ST, Lee goes on IR then He's #5, then Blackmon goes down, Bush is # 4,at this time why not try to get a FA CB in? no, just keep bringing up the PS guys,(underwood and Bell) then when Harris is lost,all of a sudden Bush is #3 and we have a major problem at atime heading to the playoffs.
and someone is going to say,who do we get well I don't know who is out there .but TT and MM must know, other teams pick up guys all the time. maybe not as good as the 3 we lost but better then the 2nd guy on the PS
I would think that is TT job (wolf said he was always looking to better the team) But they did try out 3 WR this week but not 1 CB.

[12pack]

We dropped 36 because the damn refs kept their hanky in their pocket. Nevermind that the the Steelers dropped 35. You can't blame Capers when he is forced to play guys like Bush and Bell. You can't drop down to your third and fourth DB's and expect to play as well as you did with Harris.

I usually don't get this upset about officiating but what the Steelers got away with on sunday was criminal.

[cgc73]

You think the refs are the only reason the Packers scored 36? Seriously? Well, I'll join 'ya on a 12 pack someday but I won't agree with that.

[think]

Originally Posted by Packer Fan at Purdue

I didn't say anything about that last play, but the more I've seen it, and I've been seeing it a lot on ESPN, the more obvious that hold was. Thank god I wasn't the only one that saw it. I thought I was crazy or something.

(oh shit, I set that one up. take your shots.)

why aren't any of the sports "commentators" saying anything about it????

Sports commentators can't say too much about officiating if they don't want to be blackballed by the NFL.

[12pack]

Originally Posted by cgc73

You think the refs are the only reason the Packers scored 36?

We didn't. Have a couple more on me!:

[NYPACKER]

After thinking about the Steelers game all week, I really wish we had taken a timeout before the last play. Advantages is doing so : 1) our dlineman were gassed, I think Jenkins had even taken himself out of the game, perhaps we could have gotten him back in, or at least the others could have caught their breath. 2) With so many inexperienced DB's out there it could have refreshed in their minds the situation, what to expect from the Steelers, everyone's responsibilities in the coverage called. As a basketball coach for 25 years I
,ve come to learn over the years that in a last second shot type situation defenses are more likely to make menatl errors and thus a time out often favors the defense. It reminded me of the 4th and 26 play. Call timeout, get everyone together, be sure of responsibilities, etc.