Fire Dom #$%& Capers

[Cblatz]

THe three man rush inside the 20 never, ever, ever works. A stinkin brain dead morin knows that. SO the retard calls it over and over and over. WHat a beautiful call. Give the @#$% QB 10 seconds to find 1 on 1 coverage against Bell, who doesn't ever belong in the NFL. I can't believe this guy should be allowed to live, much less coach on the NFL. This is inexcusable. I don't give a rats A#$ that he coached in Pitt before. There is no defense for this moron. FIre him now.

[Packer Fan at Purdue]

yeah, that's the answer, fire Dom Capers right here and now, one of the most respected defensive co-ordinators in the NFL. fire him right there on the sidelines. don't hold the players responsible for anything, just get rid of Capers. hell, why stop there? fire all the coaches now. every last one of them. fire Thompson right now too. makes sense to me. while we're at it, at the end of the season, lets get rid of all our players and start all over. what do you say?

[Galileo]

5th time this year we've surrendered 30 or more points....we've lost all 5. Our record is 9-5.

Last year, only 3 teams hit 30 on us.

But truthfully, as I was watching the game, I thought we played OK on defense except that we couldn't get Roethlisberger on the ground. That big SOB with that flak jacket shook off a lot of tackles and made some fantastic plays.

I don't blame the 3 man rush.....all our 4 man rush was doing was bouncing off him and letting him out of the pocket.

I don't know who to blame, but we scored 36 points and didn't turn it over at all so I'm inclined to look harder at the defense than the offense.

[Bostonjim]

[quote=Galileo;353178]

I don't blame the 3 man rush.....all our 4 man rush was doing was bouncing off him and letting him out of the pocket.

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Yeah, well at least Rothlisberger had to hurry the throw. He had all day back there on the last play.

[Galileo]

[quote=Bostonjim;353180][quote=Galileo;353178]

I don't blame the 3 man rush.....all our 4 man rush was doing was bouncing off him and letting him out of the pocket.

Yeah, well at least Rothlisberger had to hurry the throw. He had all day back there on the last play.

No, he didn't have to hurry. After the first guy bounced off him he'd move outside and take his time. You can put the stopwatch on it if you'd like but even with the 4 man rush he had plenty of time.

What I'm not understanding is how with 8 guys in coverage you end up with one-on-one in the endzone.

[Bostonjim]

[quote=Galileo;353184][quote=Bostonjim;353180][quote=Galileo;353178]

I don't blame the 3 man rush.....all our 4 man rush was doing was bouncing off him and letting him out of the pocket.



No, he didn't have to hurry. After the first guy bounced off him he'd move outside and take his time. You can put the stopwatch on it if you'd like but even with the 4 man rush he had plenty of time.

What I'm not understanding is how with 8 guys in coverage you end up with one-on-one in the endzone.[/

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Good point. How do you get one on one there. Just terrible.

So, you like the prevent defense. I disagree, because if you give a good QB that much comfort and time, forget about it. I would have liked to seen a blitz there. Why count on crap players like Bell and Bush?

[Packer Fan at Purdue]

Why count on crap players like Bell and Bush?

injuries.

but I have to be honest with you all about something. and I'm dead serious about this. at this point, I'd rather see pictures of MM sucking off a goat than Bush in a Packer uniform. that guy needs to be cut from the team NOW. so does Crosby. anyone willing to pay my airfare to Green Bay so I can try out for the kicking position? I promise I won't do any worse.

[Mike F]

They have 2 corners, 1 safety, a pretender in Bigby and nothing behind them. Pittsburgh did us a favor, they showed we don't have depth in the secondary.

It would have been a great win, a definer, but if MM and TT can get their sh t together, it might be a help in the long term. The Packers have holes, Pittsburgh showed you one today, namely you're ignorant if you choose to run Bush out their all the time and need to find another corner.

Also, you have to think seriously about bringing in another kicker and make Crosby compete, he's messed up.

[Packer Fan at Purdue]

Originally Posted by Mike F

They have 2 corners, 1 safety, a pretender in Bigby and nothing behind them.

don't forget the inured d-lineman.

[Galileo]

Originally Posted by Mike F

They have 2 corners, 1 safety, a pretender in Bigby and nothing behind them. Pittsburgh did us a favor, they showed we don't have depth in the secondary.

Yeah...nothing like losing 3 of your top 5 CBs to IR to hurt your depth at that position. I mean, I'm sure most teams in the league could lose three of their top 5 and still have real good depth because their GMs are geniuses in free agency.

[Profe]

kick better than Crosby! Also play better than Bush. You know....years ago, while parking in a downtown Green Bay garage, I had the opportunity to run over T. Buckley. I didn't do it. Right now, you put Bush or Crosby in the same place....and my story would be, "Officer....when I went to step on the brake, I hit the accelerator by accident."

[Mike F]

but to act as though it was prudent to count on Lee and Blackmon is just silly. Blackmon has always been injured and never really shown that he could consistently play. Lee is a bust and raw as raw. It's something they exposed, we'll see if they can "fix" it. Bush though isn't a fix and Pitt made it obvious they were going after Bush and Bell. Incidentally it's not just the corners, Bigby has been less than stellar and there's nothing behind him.

[Galileo]

Originally Posted by Mike F

but to act as though it was prudent to count on Lee and Blackmon is just silly. Blackmon has always been injured and never really shown that he could consistently play. Lee is a bust and raw as raw.
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Barring injuries, these two guys were our #4 and #5 CBs and I think you'll spend a long time looking before you find a team whose #4 and #5 guys are better.

Yeah, Blackmon gets hurt a lot...it's a rough game. Calling Lee a bust at this point is a bad case of premature evaluation on your part, IMO.

What would you have done? Cut Lee and Blackmon before the season started and replaced them with better guys who weren't going to get injured? Like who?

[Pure Rock]

Fire Dom Capers? Yeah right, there’s a real good idea .
It’s amazing what fans say after a loss. In this case, a one point loss on the road to the defending champs… Wow.

[Mike F]

but I wouldn't count on them either. Lee is exceptionally raw at best, and Blackmon is a returner who can't stay healthy. they would be fine competing for the 5th and 6th slot but, but neither were capable of being counted on to play the nickel. And it's not just the corner depth that's the problem. They have no real depth at S and Bigby isn't the same player. He's not great in coverage and he's now tentative.

Do you really think that Arizona, Philly and NOLA aren't watching? This is the blueprint the vikings used and it's how you will see them attacked. They are solid against the run. The problem comes in coverages. When you have 3 players that can essentially cover against teams with multiple good receivers and te's the Packers are vulnerable.

Was almost a great game for them, would have been a huge boost into the playoffs. We'll see they have some real opportunities, but they have secondary depth issues and st issues especially with the kicking game that may come back to bite them.

[Galileo]

Mike....you're making no sense at all. You wouldn't cut them but you wouldn't count on them? What??? They're playing because the other guys are hurt.....it's not like we can go to Walmart and get something better.

And you keep cracking on Bigby. Do you realize that over the last 3 years we're something like 24-7 when he's in the lineup and something like 4-10 when he isn't? Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.


This is what we've got. Can we win in the playoffs with it? Yeah, I think so. Would I rather we didn't have so many secondary guys hurt? Yeah, of course.

But I just don't understand this "we've got no depth in the secondary" . Dude, our depth is on the field playing because of injuries. You take any other team in the league and take away three of their top 5 CBs and then tell me what kind of depth they have.

[think]

I don't know if they had defensive linemen to put in. Raji looked worn out before the first half was over and didn't do much in the second half.

[Kakunga]

Originally Posted by Galileo

Yeah...nothing like losing 3 of your top 5 CBs to IR to hurt your depth at that position. I mean, I'm sure most teams in the league could lose three of their top 5 and still have real good depth because their GMs are geniuses in free agency.

If we don't have the cover corners to play the prevent, then why are we playing it? It wasn't successful. If it wasn't succesful it wasn't correct to play. Did Denver play Prevent against us in Super Bowl 32 at the end? no. They blitzed.
This ending reminded me of the 1998 playoff loss to the 49ers on Steve Young's throw to the end Zone for a TD with 3 seconds to go. We rushed 3 on that one and guess what? Yeah we lost. Don't let good QBs have a long time to to throw the ball.

[Kakunga]

Originally Posted by Galileo

5th time this year we've surrendered 30 or more points....we've lost all 5. Our record is 9-5.

Last year, only 3 teams hit 30 on us.

But truthfully, as I was watching the game, I thought we played OK on defense except that we couldn't get Roethlisberger on the ground. That big SOB with that flak jacket shook off a lot of tackles and made some fantastic plays.

I don't blame the 3 man rush.....all our 4 man rush was doing was bouncing off him and letting him out of the pocket.

I don't know who to blame, but we scored 36 points and didn't turn it over at all so I'm inclined to look harder at the defense than the offense.

We gave up 503 yards passing to Big Ben today. Yeah, I hope you are inclined to look at the defense. I mean 503 yards. That is a lot of yards. Yeah I think the defense let us down a tad.

[No Worries]

Originally Posted by Cblatz

THe three man rush inside the 20 never, ever, ever works. A stinkin brain dead morin knows that. SO the retard calls it over and over and over. WHat a beautiful call. Give the @#$% QB 10 seconds to find 1 on 1 coverage against Bell, who doesn't ever belong in the NFL. I can't believe this guy should be allowed to live, much less coach on the NFL. This is inexcusable. I don't give a rats A#$ that he coached in Pitt before. There is no defense for this moron. FIre him now.

I can only hope this was said tongue in cheek....unfortunately I don't believe that's the case.

Would you rather have Bob Sanders back?

Our defensive backfield is a worry and it was certainly exposed. That should have been no mystery before the start of the season. We have non existent depth there, and any injuries to a starter gives us what we witnessed last night. With Al Harris' age and injury, he is likely done. We will be in trouble here next year as well. Blackmon and Lee aren't going to be worth much. Bush does not belong in any sort of NFL uniform. He is hands down the worst player I have ever seen.

We are what we are.... as many predicted early, a 10-6 team that will get to the playoffs and not much more. Plenty of holes to fill next year with DB at the top, followed by OL and RB.

If one thing is sure, it's that we are pretty lucky to have Capers on our side.

[Cblatz]

While I am a lot calmer now then when I started the thread, I still stand by the premise. Maybe it is just me being disappointed that my hopes for a different philosophy have been shattered. But we have had 3 signature games this year (the two against Minn and yesterday where it was MM going back to his hometown, and Capers going against his old team), and in each three, we decided that we were just going to lay back and hope the other team made mistakes. When the chips are on the line, and it is do or die, you show your true colors. And we showed that we are not aggressive.

Look, losing the game doesn't bother me. It happens. But our coaches made a concious decision yesterday. They decided that having Bush and Bell having to cover against double, triple and more moves because of the time they were going to allow Roth. to have was a better way to win then putting pressure on your QB. They didn't even offer safety help, just left them out there 1 on 1. If that is their decision making, it just is not acceptible.

[Bostonjim]

Originally Posted by Kakunga

If we don't have the cover corners to play the prevent, then why are we playing it? It wasn't successful.

You hit the nail on the head.

[12pack]

LMAO about firing Capers. You can't get to the QB when they are holding the shit out of you like on the last play. Refs screwed us!

[Dude]

Originally Posted by 12pack

LMAO about firing Capers. You can't get to the QB when they are holding the shit out of you like on the last play. Refs screwed us!

Valid point........sounds like sour grapes, but it's true.